Show Notes: A Murdering Pastor John Douglas White and Hero Bass Reeves

This show, “Michigan and other Mayhem”, is a sort of factual, slightly comical, always earnest podcast about interesting stuff in Michigan and around the world. It is done by two sisters-in-law (Ali and Jenn) that like to talk about random interesting stories.  Expect cults, mysteries, murder, fast-talking, and a couple of mental palate cleansers… and cuss words.  Those happen on this show, a lot.

Episode 8: Pastor John White kills on Rebekah Gay on Halloween and Bass Reeves

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Warning: This podcast occasionally contains strong language which may be unsuitable for children.

Alerts:

  • Pretend podcast music (because we couldn’t find any we liked enough for a theme song)
  • Ali has a weird laugh. It is often loud.
  • Ali peppers Jenn with questions and they giggle fits.
  • You can hear Jenn’s dog drinking water at one point. It’s cool, it is just that some beings can’t hold their lickers.

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Pastor John White kills on Rebekah Gay on Halloween

  • October 31, 2012, Pastor John White killed Rebekah and hid her body in nearby woods
  • He then dressed Rebekah’s son in his Halloween costume and then drove the son to his father’s house to trick or treat
  • John had killed Rebekah by strangling her with a zip tie and beating her with a mallet
  • He was her pastor
    • The congregation was fully aware of John’s colored past
    • He had been released from prison in 2007 after serving 12 years for the manslaughter of a 26-year-old woman
      • John had received probation for stabbing and choking a 17-year-old girl
    • A fellow parishioner said that John was doing a lot of good in the community and Satan didn’t want him to do that, causing John to kill Rebekah
      • Ali believes that statement is meant to absolve him of personal responsibility
      • Jenn thinks they were trying to make themselves feel better
    • At 2 a.m. John went to Rebekah’s house to kill her
      • He confesses to the strangling and beating and having sexual fantasies about murdering her and having sex with her body
      • However, he could not remember if he did have sex with her after he murdered her
      • The police did have her body, but they didn’t mention if she had been sexually assaulted
    • John Douglas White was a woman attacker with a history
    • Six months after being sentenced to jail, he killed himself
      • He was 55 years old at the time of the murder
      • Rebekah was only 24 years old
      • You can see John’s mug shot online
    • Just because men look like Santa, doesn’t mean they are nice
    • Ali and Jenn discuss whether Rebekah’s son is in therapy and why didn’t John admit to having sex with Rebekah’s body

Bass Reeves

  • Born into slavery, living from July 1838 to January 1910
    • 6’2”, good manners with a sense of humor
  • Jenn, who is a small person, has the confidence of a person who is 6’2”
    • It may be her liquid courage height
  • As a slave, he was held under George R. Reeves, a sheriff and Texas legislator
    • Served in the Civil War, fighting for the Confederacy
      • Ran away between 23 and 27 years old
    • There are a couple stories as to how he left his slavery situation ran away
    • One is that he was in a fist fight with his master and had to run afterwards
    • One is that he saw other freedmen during the war and decided to make a break for it
  • He fled to the Indian Territory, lawless area, to live with Cherokee, Seminole, and Creek Indians
    • Until the 13th Amendment abolished slavery
  • He married Nellie Jennie from Texas and had 10-11 children
    • Nellie Jennie sounds is the name of a pure and loving woman
    • No hospital for all those kids
  • They were a family of farmers until Bass was in his 30’s and Isaac Parker was appointed federal judge over the Indian Territory
    • Parker appointed James F. Fagan as US Marshall, directing him to hire 200 deputy US marshals
      • Fagan had heard about Reeves who was familiar with the territory and spoke several Native American languages
      • Reeves had also served as a scout and guide for marshals in Indian Territory
      • He was considered an expert marksman with both a rifle and a pistol
        • He was barred from competitive turkey shoots for being too good
        • He was known for wearing two colt pistols, butt forward, for fast draw
        • Ambidextrous, either hand could shoot to kill you
      • recruited him
    • It was a very dangerous area of law enforcement
      • Before OK became a state, more than 200 marshals had been killed in the line of duty
      • Not a job for sissies
    • First black deputy US Marshal west of Miss. River
      • He works the territory until 1893 then transfers twice to other departments before retiring
        • Worked for 32 years as a federal police officer (at age 68)
        • This is the same year OK became a state
        • After retiring from the territories, he joined the Muskogee Police Department, serving two years before retiring at age 70
      • Arrested more than 3,000 felons
        • Shot and killed 14 outlaws in self-defence
        • He was one of Judge Parker’s most valued deputies, bringing in some of the most dangerous criminals
      • He was never wounded although he had his hat shot off a few times, his gun belt was once shot off, and once someone’s shot managed to break his horse’s rein, but not hit either him or the horse
    • He became a legend in the area and was the inspiration for… the Lone Ranger
      • NOT a white man on a white horse with a white hat but a black escaped slave
      • Reeves was imposing with his height
      • Had a reputation for being courageous and successful in his pursuit of criminals
      • He rode a white stallion and a red one
        • Known for having healthy large horses
      • He was a sharp dresser, known for politeness and courtesy
      • A master of disguises, and often used aliases
        • He would pretend to be a cowboy, farmer, gunslinger or an outlaw
      • The first TV show to be put into reruns was “The Lone Ranger”.
      • He had his own trials:
      • His hardest arrest had to be the time he arrested his own son for murder
        • Bennie Reeves was charged with the murder of his wife.
        • Bass Reeves demanded the responsibility for bringing his son in
          • After tracking him and finding Bennie, Bennie was convicted
          • Bennie served his time in Leavenworth, before being released and living the rest of his life as a law-abiding citizen
        • Bass Reeves, himself, was charged with the murder of a posse cook
          • His trial was presided over by Judge Parker and Reeves was represented by a former US Attorney WHH Clayton
          • He was acquitted, not a surprise when the judge is your friend
        • Cool facts:
          • Bass Reeves was a great uncle to Paul L. Brady, who became the first black man appointed as a federal judge in 1972
          • OK was renamed the Bass Reeves Memorial bridge
          • a bronze statue of Reeves was erected in Pendergraft Park in Arkansas
          • Bass Reeves was inducted into the Texas Trail of Fame
          • Also, books and TV shows have been made about his life
          • He is in the Cowboy Hall of Fame in OK
        • Are we the only ones who didn’t know about Bass?

A Murdering Pastor John D. White and Hero Bass Reeves

Today’s two topics are a man who is a murderous pastor and another who was a hero to children in the past.  Listen in to find out who they both could be by listening to our podcast or reading the full show notes at miciganandothermayhem.com.

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Thanksgiving murder Muskegon Michigan

In Nov 1998 five people were sitting down for Thanksgiving dinner in Muskegon County Michigan when they were shot dead by Seth Privacky because he was angry at his father. Fast forward 12 years, Seth Privacky was shot to death trying to escape prison.

Do you think it is karma that this man was killed the same way he killed his victims?

For more details: Question remains 20 years after Thanksgiving family massacre: Why?

Happy Thanksgiving from Michigan and other Mayhem

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Continuing the conversation Eloise Mental Hospital

Continuing the Conversation: This weeks episode talked about the Eloise Mental Hospital

The following video provides an aerial view of the Eloise Mental Hospital

 

The following video provides more details on the Eloise Mental Hospital (Eloise Poorhouse & Asylum). The video also provides drawings of the building and grounds.

 

 

 

Continuing the Conversation Bath School Massacre

Continuing the Conversation: This weeks episode talked about the Bath School Massacre of 1927

The following video shows before and after photos of the bombing of Andrew Kehoe’s home, truck and the Bath School.

 

Bath MI Massacre and Eloise Mental Hospital, Westland, MI

Random Michigan and mayhem. You know you want it.

This show, “Michigan and other Mayhem”, is a sort of factual, slightly comical, always earnest podcast about interesting stuff in Michigan and around the world. It is done by two sisters-in-law (Ali and Jenn) that like to talk about random interesting stories.  Expect cults, mysteries, murder, fast-talking, and a couple of mental palate cleansers… and cuss words.  Those happen on this show, a lot.

Episode 7: Bath MI, Massacre and Eloise Mental Hospital, Westland, MI

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Warning: This podcast occasionally contains strong language which may be unsuitable for children.

  • Alerts:
    • Pretend podcast music (because we couldn’t find any we liked enough for a theme song)
    • Ali has a weird laugh. It is often loud.
    • Ali and Jenn talk about what is scary, movies verses haunted houses
    • Want to know how podcasting works? Ask Jenn.  To Ali, it has something to do with magic.  Read the show notes… oh, wait, you are.

 

  • Bath MI, Massacre
    • Andrew Kehoe moved in with his dad when his mom died in the early 1900’s
      • In 1911, when his stepmom was lighting their oil stove it blew up
      • She was caught on fire during the explosion and Andrew threw water on her
        • It worsened the injuries as the water spread the oil fire around
        • She died of her wounds
        • Some people in town suggested he tampered with the stove to cause the explosion
    • In 1912, Andrew marries Ellen
      • Jenn and Ali talk about women in marriage in the early 1910’s
      • They move to Bath, MI in 1918
        • A town of about 300 residents
    • He had a bad temper
      • He shot and killed a neighbor’s dog that came on his property
      • Andrew killed his own horse for not listening
    • Andrew became a trustee on the school board
      • He was considered to be difficult to deal with
      • Consequently, in 1926, he loses his seat on the school board
    • At the same time Andrea loses his seat, his house was foreclosed on
      • His wife was stricken with an illness (most likely tuberculosis)
      • He begins to dismantle his farm
      • He buys a firearm and bomb supplies
    • The local school, in the summer of 1926, ask Andrew to do electrical work in the school, as he is an electrical engineer
      • He planted bombs throughout the basement while doing the work
    • Then Andrew really went crazy and killed his wife, then blew up his own farm
      • While he was driving to the school, it blows up
      • When Andrew gets to the school he calls the superintendent over to his truck
        • When the superintendent gets there, Andrew blows up the truck
        • He killed more people with his truck, even some that survived the original blast
    • The toll was 45 deaths and 50 nonfatal injuries
      • All but four deaths were children
    • Later, they find more explosives in the school, for some reason, half of his bomb did not detonate

 

  • Eloise Mental Hospital, Westland, MI
    • It started out as a poorhouse/ farm in Detroit
      • A poorhouse is a government-run building which would kind of be like a permanent homeless shelter
    • Eloise goes through a lot of changes, from a poorhouse to a hospital and asylum in 1894
      • Named after a Detroit postmaster’s daughter
    • By 1913, it had 3 divisions:
      • Eloise Hospital
        • Mental hospital
      • Eloise Infirmary
        • Poorhouse
      • Eloise Sanitarium
        • TB (tuberculosis) hospital
    • Never trust a hospital with its own graveyard(s)
      • the first person was buried 1910, and the last person was buried January 1948
      • 7,100 burials, with number markers for tombstones
        • Gravesites were open for 38 years with 7,100 burials
        • 8 deaths/year-15.5 deaths/month, which equals about a death every two days give or take, if the  numbers were consistent each month, no peaks or valleys
    • After the burials stopped, they started using the bodies for dissection and medical training
      • People didn’t stop dying, they stopped being buried… which means more than 7,100 deaths happened on the grounds
    • It peaked during the Great Depression, 1929-1939
      • Started growing and became almost a self-sufficient city
      • It had its own fire/police department, railroad, trolley stations, sewage plant, bakery, barns, crops, etc.
        • A schoolyard, for the children whose parents died of cholera and the county house, was their home
      • Its own zip code
      • It was the largest asylum in the country
      • It provided x-rays to the community
      • Had the 1st kidney dialysis unit in the state of MI
      • Pioneered music therapy (later in the 50’s)
      • In its prime, Eloise had 78 buildings and 902 acres of land
    • Something else it had: a reputation for violence, questionable conditions, misconduct and neglect of patients
      • There were patients who fashioned shanks, either for offense or defense, I don’t know, I just saw pictures of them
        • Possibly defense as the staff was known to beat unruly patients and people were placed in large groups with other mentally ill
      • Some approved treatments were electrotherapy, lobotomies, and insulin shock therapy, sensory deprivation and twirling chairs
        • What is twirling chairs?
        • It is a form of therapy that is often called rotation therapy and was created by Charles Darwin’s grandfather
        • He would spin a patient in a chair until they were sick, everything in their body voided, and they were so sick and messed up that they slept for a long time
        • His focus was on sleeping and rest, and these sick people wanted to lay down and rest after losing control of their bodily functions
      • Television therapy, which is like neglect
        • Its where you put someone in front of a TV and leave them there
      • Eloise was overcrowded, which meant some patients to slept on the floor
        • Some had to bring their own mattress
        • 125 women would have to share 5 toilets—25 people per toilet
        • unsanitary conditions
      • People were not separated by their illness
        • A depressed housewife, a delusional paranoid schizophrenic, and a downs syndrome teen would all be together
      • Nurses/doctors often used leather restraints
        • Inmates were chained to the wall
      • Some patients were given passes to leave the grounds, sometimes they were picked up and fined by the police, some disappeared
    • The hospital changed names again and in 1977 the Wayne County Psychiatric Hospital closed
      • 1979 the remaining hospital was officially called Wayne Country General Hospital
      • 1986 the general hospital closed
    • The grounds were up for sale, $1.5 mil, but was sold for $1 to make housing complexes
      • Don’t live there if you’ve ever seen a scary movie
    • Why it is of interest: Considered haunted
      • Creepy abandoned psych hospitals are terrifying
        • Especially when you know the people that lived there were tormented by mental illness, abuse, and neglect
        • Tunnels underground for employees to use to transfer patients to different buildings
          • When I was a teen, my cousins and other guys used to dare each other to go in the tunnels at night
      • People reported finding medical waste, such as body parts in jars
        • Creepy snapshots of patients
      • Claims that people can hear moaning, screams, and roars
      • A building employee recently claimed children in the building had seen a man in shorts sitting in the staircase
      • A woman wearing white has been seen on the roof
      • Frequented by ghost hunters
      • A horror movie was filmed there in 2014
        • All the reports I read said that the movie was unreleased, but I was talking to a coworker during the break the other day and she said saw the movie that was filmed there as she also has an interest in Eloise
        • Unfortunately, she not a fan. It didn’t meet her expectations

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Continuing the Conversation Tyler Hardy, Missing Child

Continuing the Conversation: This weeks episode talked about Tyler Hardy a missing child.

Daily Mail Article: Dumped women takes revenge on her ex by telling him she is pregnant and pretending her FRIEND’s little boy is his son

We learned this week how far some will go to get back at their ex. Do you believe girlfriend Tracy when she says she wanted to tell her ex the child was all a lie but she couldn’t because it would break his heart? 

Reporting Missing – BBC Episode: Tyler Hardy

 

 

 

 

Show Notes: Tyler Hardy, Missing Child and Lydia Thompson Murder 1945

Random Michigan and mayhem. You know you want it.

This show, “Michigan and other Mayhem”, is a sort of factual, slightly comical, always earnest podcast about interesting stuff in Michigan and around the world. It is done by two sisters-in-law (Ali and Jenn) that like to talk about random interesting stories.  Expect cults, mysteries, murder, fast-talking, and a couple of mental palate cleansers… and cuss words.  Those happen on this show, a lot.

Episode 6: Tyler Hardy, Missing Child and Lydia Thompson Murder 1945

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Warning: This podcast occasionally contains strong language which may be unsuitable for children.

Alerts:

  • Pretend podcast music (because we couldn’t find any we liked enough for a theme song)
  • Ali has a weird laugh. It is often loud.
  • We hypothesize a lot in this one.

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  • Tyler Hardy, Missing Child
    • This story aired on Reported Missing on BBC One
      • The show kept a man’s last name secret, just calling him John, so we’ll call him John Appleseed so he can have the last name
    • Background: John Appleseed and Tanya Hardy had been dating in England
      • He breaks up with her by texting
      • Afterwards, she meets up with him to tell him that she is pregnant
      • She lets him touch her pregnant belly
      • Shortly after the birth, when the baby is about 10 weeks, she begins to bring Tyler around on weekends and John becomes really attached to his son
    • In 2017, John Appleseed calls to report his son missing
      • He states his son is missing, he’s 5 years old, his name is Tyler and he hasn’t seen him in two years
      • John’s ex has been withholding custody and his solicitors suggested that at this stage he should call the police
        • He’s already spent money fighting for custody and on child maintenance (child support)
        • But recently John wasn’t even able to find Tanya to contact her
    • The police find and contact his ex, Tanya Hardy
      • She says she does not have a 5-year-old son
        • She has never heard of John or Tyler
        • Later she admits to knowing John but said he is making up the existence of the son, Tyler
        • She insists she has only given birth once, and her daughter is 16
      • The cops are starting to think John is delusional
        • There is no record of Tyler in the country’s social services
        • Tanya Hardy’s neighbors never saw a small boy going in and out of the house
          • There is no evidence in Tanya’s house of a little boy living there, no clothes, shoes, etc.
      • John shows them photos of him with his son Tyler, and Tanya in the snapshot
        • The cops begin to think that maybe the child exists but was possibly murdered or abandoned
    • Then the police are able to track down Tanya’s 16-year-old daughter
      • They show her a picture of Tyler and the 16-year-old daughter says…. Are you ready?
      • That the boy in the picture is a family friend’s child that her mom used to babysit
      • Her mother, Tanya, had been lying the whole time
        • She wasn’t pregnant
        • The little boy was someone she was babysitting for
    •  Tanya said she lied about Tyler being John’s for revenge for John dumping her via text
      • At the time he broke up with her, Tanya thought she was pregnant
      • She said that later she realized she wasn’t pregnant but kept going with the lie
      • Tanya admitting to wanting his support money and that it started as a petty lie and grew out of control
      • She could have handled the lie a million different ways that did not include letting a man spend years believing he was a father when he was not
    • John was devastated to find out he isn’t a father, emotionally devastated
      • John has kept a bottle he used to feed his son and the boy’s first pair of shoes
      • He did write a letter to the real parents, with his phone number so they could contact him if they wanted
    • Tanya pled guilty to fraud and perverting the course of justice and was sentenced to two years in prison
      • She said she is remorseful that she hurt him, and she is glad that the whole lie is finally over
    • Once, when the boy was older and visiting John, around age three, he mentioned his real name, and it was not Tyler
      • My guess (Ali’s guess) is that is when Tanya stopped taking him for visits
      • Once he was verbal, he would be able to call her out on her lies
    • Tyler’s real mom was torn up by the letter John wrote. Sad face
      • Ali doesn’t know if John ever got to see him again

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  • Lydia Thompson Murder 1945
    • Moved from Turkey to America with her husband Louis, but was originally from Russia
      • They moved to Orchard Lake, MI
      • Louis and Lydia owned a car dealership and laundromat
        • They had money
    • Lydia found out her husband was having an affair with his secretary, Helen
      • She kicked him out
      • They went back and forth with reconciliation, but he wouldn’t stop seeing Helen
      • Louis asked Lydia for a divorce
        • She refused
  • By 1945
    • Lydia had multiple private detectives following Louis
    • She went full stalker
    • One night he was in a club with a non-sex-involved female friend
      • Lydia threw acid on them burning their faces and legs
        • Where does one get acid vials to throw on people? How is this a thing?
        • How did Lydia not go to jail?
    • Louis moved to Miami to vacation with… yes, you guessed it! Helen, the secretary
      • Lydia followed, telling she would haunt her from now and into the afterlife
      • Louis came back to Michigan and moved out of the house he shared with Lydia
      • Lydia threatened a whole bunch of stuff, including suicide AND bought a gun
    • Lydia was stalking Louis while simultaneously telling people that she thought she was being stalked
      • She believed her life was in danger
    • Unfortunately, her headless body was found in October 1945
      • It was in a marsh in Pontiac, MI
      • She had beaten and stabbed with an ice pick
      • The cops believe the marsh was the dump site
    • When the police go back to Lydia’s house, they find a note she had written
      • It said her husband probably killed her if no one hears from her
      • She then willed all her possessions to her father
      • Two weeks later, her father leaves Detroit
        • He doesn’t say where he’s going, only that it is somewhere more pleasant
        • He’s never seen again
    • PLOT TWIST!
      • Shortly after Lydia’s dad moves, a telegraph from Lydia’s sister said their father had been dead for years
      • Ali had several crackpot hypotheses about who the dad is
        • Jenn has a theory that the telegraph could be a fake
      • The father ghosted everyone while in possession of the inheritance
    • Helen and Louis had alibi’s and passed a lie detector test
      • They had lie detector’s in 1945? The girls are surprised; however, it was invented in 1921
    • 1947
      • A woman came forward and said Louis paid her boyfriend $10,000 to kill Lydia
      • Both men were arrested but quickly released because of PLOT TWIST!
        • The boyfriend made the story up because he was married, and he wanted to scare his girlfriend so she wouldn’t tell his wife on him
        • Affairs everywhere in 1940’s Detroit
    • Louis claims Lydia paid to have herself killed so he would go to jail
      • Helen and Louis married and had kids
      • No one was ever charged with the murder
    • The women discuss what they might do if they needed to be murdered
      • Crazy ass hypotheses
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