Random Michigan and mayhem. You know you want it.
This show, “Michigan and other Mayhem”, is a sort of factual, slightly comical, always earnest podcast about interesting stuff in Michigan and around the world. It is done by two sisters-in-law (Ali and Jenn) that like to talk about random interesting stories. Expect cults, mysteries, murder, fast-talking, and a couple of mental palate cleansers… and cuss words. Those happen on this show, a lot.
Episode 1: Disappearance of David Tyll and Brian Ognjan, and How to Survive a Serial Killer
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Warning: This podcast occasionally contains strong language which may be unsuitable for children.
- Alerts:
- Pretend podcast music (because we couldn’t find any we liked enough for a theme song)
- Ali has a weird laugh. It is often loud.
- Jenn tells the story of driving on US-23 North and seeing a one-way sign with a weird placement around mile marker forty-six. There is a brick wall in the median and there are no on/off ramps in the area. Thoughts?
- The disappearance of David Tyll and Brian Ognjan
- November 21, 1985, they decide to go hunting in White Cloud, MI at a cabin
- First, they decide to stop in Mio, MI to visit a friend
- November 22, 1985, one of them cashes a check in St. Claire Shores, MI and that’s the last time either of them is heard from
- The check wasn’t for a lot of money, no suspicion
- They never made it to the cabin and they never made it to their friend’s house
- Their vehicle was never found
- The case goes cold
- Cut to 1990
- Police received a tip that the two men (David and Brian) had been at a bar in Mio
- There had been a fist fight between them and the Duvall brothers outside of the bar
- Still not enough evidence, the case goes cold again
- Now it is 2003
- A woman comes forward as a witness, saying she and a friend had been there at the time the men died
- The Duvall brothers beat the two men to death with a baseball bat
- Placed the bodies in the victim’s vehicle and drove off
- She was afraid of the Duvalls and didn’t say anything earlier
- Ali and Jenn talk about whether they would tell if they knew someone was murdered and what the consequences would be
- Batshit crazy families are brought up
- Others then testified that the brothers drunkenly bragged about committing the murders
- They told people they fed the bodies to their pigs
- The Duvall brothers wonder who is telling on them about the murders
- They did. They told everyone. They told on themselves.
- 2003, the Duvall brothers were sentenced to life in prison
- The Missing Hunters on Cold Case TV Series
- Book on the murders by Tom Henderson called Darker Than Night: True Story of a Brutal Double Homicide and an 18-year Long Quest for Justice
- 81 rating on Good Reads
- More talk on people who witness crimes
- November 21, 1985, they decide to go hunting in White Cloud, MI at a cabin
- How to Survive a Serial Killer
- Types of killers
- Spree Killers = killing at two or more locations with very little time in between the murders, not defined by the number of victims
- Mass murderers = killing four or more people with no cool off period, at a single location
- Serial killers = killing over a long period of time
- Prolific American serial killers
- Gary Ridgway (48 women)
- Ted Bundy (35 women)
- John Wayne Gacy (33 men)
- Jenn reveals she was robbed at gunpoint
- Ali was mugged twice
- Ali and Jenn have had their houses broken into
- Stephan Harbort, a German criminologist, former police commissioner conducted a study
- His research says you have a 15.9% chance of survival, once the assault/abduction begins
- Serial killers initiate 31 contacts with potential victims before being able to control one
- Don’t fight unless you can win
- Some people survived when others scared them away
- Flee whenever possible
- Follow your intuition
- If a little voice says GET OUT or DON’T DO IT, listen to it
- Don’t go upstairs/downstairs if they are chasing you, do not go to a room without a way out, you could be trapping yourself
- Don’t trap yourself on a second floor or closet
- Run to a door opposite of the one they are entering, front/back door
- Find crowds if you’re in public
- Lock doors when driving and don’t leave your purse out
- If you find yourself in water, take off heavy clothing and shoes if you can, so they don’t weigh you down
- Make noise. Their killing spree depends on not having attention drawn to them
- Run like your ass is on fire. Get away. Kick off your shoes.
- Yell “Fire!” not rape.
- Don’t trust someone just because they are accompanied by a woman, women are evil too
- Lock your doors/windows, even when you’re at home. Place a dowel down behind sliding glass doors
- Motion sensor lights are a cheap deterrent
- Get a dog. That’s an extra level of trouble a killer doesn’t want to bring to themselves
- Maybe they could be allergic to cats? You never know
- Types of killers
What percent of serial killers make up the American population? Ali could not figure it out! However, the number is currently around 2,000. Sweet dreams!
I happened to read a book about this case years ago, and strangely enough, the documentary about it came on TV here in GA just a couple of days ago! It’s like I got a refresher just before I was waiting to hear this podcast, so strange. Great episode.
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Thanks, Val! We gave you and your book review a shout out in the One Piddly Podcast. I’ve also had it happen where I hear about a murder case and then suddenly I’ll hear about it from different sources. Weird, huh?
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Loved the episode! Will keep tuning in, love u guys!
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